tire rotation, road noise, wtf?

[Mike]

Originally Posted by fc3schick87

yeah you pose very good points here... i am going to find out tomorrow. they are already replacing one tire for me. they are replacing a hancook for a free yokohama that should be on my car in the first place.


i forgot to include a piece of the story to try to not complicate things. but i have a hancook tire on the passenger rear, mazda gave me a hancook tire instead of yokohama when i had a flat on the rear, and it was covered by my warrenty. they didnt have yokohama so they gave me a hancook instead with little to no choice in the matter. they said "its the same thing" but indeed its not. different wear ratings.

when i got my rotation last week they put the hancook on the front passanger. and thats when all the issues showed up.

i have since put the tires to original position, prior to rotation, and have gotten an alignment . i drove 100 miles on it today, and the radial pull returned as well as the radial noise became louder as i drove longer. and it is also slightly shaking too again....


im bringing it to mazda tomorrow.

does any one think that all these issues are because they put a hancook directional tire on a car with 3 yokohama that are not directional?


honestly i feel sick about the whole matter.... really really sick

Yes, they should not have put the non-matching tire on your car. That is wrong, and they know it. But I don't think that would've caused anything permanent.

The bottom line here though, is that the stock Yok's suck ass....period. I bought a unit that was on the lot for several months, and my tires are plagued with flat spots. I think most people overlook tires as a performance upgrade...but find the right tire for your application, and significant improvements will be noticed.


How many miles were put on the car with mis-matched tires?

[fc3schick87]

10,000 with the non matching tire.


more was into play, partly my fault partly theirs. they fixed their fault. and then i fixed mien


this is what i did today.
645am i arrived at mazda, i couldnt sleep so i figured i'd head over and just enjoy the nice 60 degree morning.
730 service manager arrives, 745 he meets with me in his office, we talked for a while and he personally went on a test drive wtih me. had me drive my car, then he drove it. agreed it felt odd. notified me that my steering wheel was not centered property, and acknowledged the pull/drift to the right.

lets back up. yesterday i went to brake check at 7am and had them align my car right? i also requested that they putt the cupped/scalloped tire back onto the rear where it came from. since the rear camber/toe/alignment was off and c aused the scalloping in the first place.

lets get back to the story. so after the test drive the manager got things rolling with my car, had his personal best mechanic lined up to work on my car. i was out there and i was looking at my tires... i noticed brake check did not move the problem tire to the rear... wtf?!?? they said they did even in their report. but they did NOT move it... nor did they test drive it after the alignment?!?!

so now mazda swapped my tires around, and put on a brand new tire to replace the hancook.

i left mazda at 1030am and headed over to the oposite side of town to get the scalloped tire re-surfaced, shaved, returned to round and balanced. but on the way to the other side of town i stopped at a different brake check and had them re-align my car. i told them about the steering wheel. they took 45 min and re-did the alignment.

i went to the tire shop on the east side of town and let them shave the tire, but they shaved the wrong one. they shaved the brand new one.... wtf? so i had them take it back and shave the CORRECT one... removed the scalloping and was driving home and noticed my car was still pulling and STILL had the steering wheel to the left slightly!??!



screw this i thought. by this time it was already 1pm....

i call another brake check and they said their lift was down, but to go to the newest location in town since they had a brand new lift and they would for sure fix my issues. i dropped my car off since that location is rather busy... 2 hours later i pick it up and finally, it drives correctly.



all in all. got the tire replaced, shaved and corrected scalloped tire, got 3 alignments . and FINALLY my car drives correctly....

what to learn from this.
alignment is just as important if not MORE important then rotating your tires. dont skip on either. if you skip on it DONT rotate it, just wait till you need new tires...

[OrangeVirus1]

I actually never rotated my stockers and I have 12k on the clock.. I never rotated them because they are complete garbage tires and I'm getting new ones soon

[machinehead]

Yeah the tires are pretty bad to begin with. Can't wait til they wear out so i can get some rims and tires.

Theres a lot of places that have a $100 alignment for life program it's worth every penny.

[mazda_sux1]

I bought what I thought was a decent little car, and in many ways it has lived up to its promise. I have to say however that I started having tire problems with this car at 5500 miles (oscillation noise from rear tires) and it started to freak me out because I had owned an original 350Z, and went through two tire swaps with that car inside of 25K miles (at least Nissan had the decency of assisting me with the tire issue). I returned to my dealership after the initial visit of 5500 miles to complain once more of a now unbearable noise from the rear tires, again 'no trouble found' just rotate the tires (Anderson Mazda of Crystal Lake, their service SUCKS) So I went to a tire shop where they rotated the tires for me front to bk and across (for FREE Anderson!!!). The problem became worse. Went to another tire place again at 16.5k miles and they not only found that the rear tires were cupped but the front tires were practically 80% worn. Now here I sit after months of dealing with this with a car that's under 29k miles, with completely worn out Yokohama tires, and no help from Mazda (they basically told me to f-off) and absolutely no help from the dealer or from Yokohama tires. I will NEVER EVER even consider buying another Mazda product, or Yokohama for that matter and I will certainly NEVER go to another Anderson owned dealership. I'd rather bike 80 miles to work. Stay away from Mazda products. They admit they KNOW about the problem, because it is caused by the factory settings of their suspensons (negative toe and camber) to make the car feel more 'sporty' and stable. If they are going to sell a car with a performance set suspension that they KNOW is going to shred your tires they SHOULD DISCLOSE THIS at the point of sale!!!!! :lemon:

[Havocforming]

Originally Posted by mazda_sux1

I bought what I thought was a decent little car, and in many ways it has lived up to its promise. I have to say however that I started having tire problems with this car at 5500 miles (oscillation noise from rear tires) and it started to freak me out because I had owned an original 350Z, and went through two tire swaps with that car inside of 25K miles (at least Nissan had the decency of assisting me with the tire issue). I returned to my dealership after the initial visit of 5500 miles to complain once more of a now unbearable noise from the rear tires, again 'no trouble found' just rotate the tires (Anderson Mazda of Crystal Lake, their service SUCKS) So I went to a tire shop where they rotated the tires for me front to bk and across (for FREE Anderson!!!). The problem became worse. Went to another tire place again at 16.5k miles and they not only found that the rear tires were cupped but the front tires were practically 80% worn. Now here I sit after months of dealing with this with a car that's under 29k miles, with completely worn out Yokohama tires, and no help from Mazda (they basically told me to f-off) and absolutely no help from the dealer or from Yokohama tires. I will NEVER EVER even consider buying another Mazda product, or Yokohama for that matter and I will certainly NEVER go to another Anderson owned dealership. I'd rather bike 80 miles to work. Stay away from Mazda products. They admit they KNOW about the problem, because it is caused by the factory settings of their suspensons (negative toe and camber) to make the car feel more 'sporty' and stable. If they are going to sell a car with a performance set suspension that they KNOW is going to shred your tires they SHOULD DISCLOSE THIS at the point of sale!!!!! :lemon:

Oh look it's yet another person bitching an moaning about how horrible the entire brand is instead of just focusing the anger at the dealer who refused to help him. Dude the stock tires suck d**k. If its the alignment that is pissing you off. Take it somewhere and get it toned down. That's my two cents. But your gonna do what your gonna do.

[TrackRabbit]

Originally Posted by mazda_sux1

I bought what I thought was a decent little car, and in many ways it has lived up to its promise. I have to say however that I started having tire problems with this car at 5500 miles (oscillation noise from rear tires) and it started to freak me out because I had owned an original 350Z, and went through two tire swaps with that car inside of 25K miles (at least Nissan had the decency of assisting me with the tire issue). I returned to my dealership after the initial visit of 5500 miles to complain once more of a now unbearable noise from the rear tires, again 'no trouble found' just rotate the tires (Anderson Mazda of Crystal Lake, their service SUCKS) So I went to a tire shop where they rotated the tires for me front to bk and across (for FREE Anderson!!!). The problem became worse. Went to another tire place again at 16.5k miles and they not only found that the rear tires were cupped but the front tires were practically 80% worn. Now here I sit after months of dealing with this with a car that's under 29k miles, with completely worn out Yokohama tires, and no help from Mazda (they basically told me to f-off) and absolutely no help from the dealer or from Yokohama tires. I will NEVER EVER even consider buying another Mazda product, or Yokohama for that matter and I will certainly NEVER go to another Anderson owned dealership. I'd rather bike 80 miles to work. Stay away from Mazda products. They admit they KNOW about the problem, because it is caused by the factory settings of their suspensons (negative toe and camber) to make the car feel more 'sporty' and stable. If they are going to sell a car with a performance set suspension that they KNOW is going to shred your tires they SHOULD DISCLOSE THIS at the point of sale!!!!! :lemon:

Poorly supported argument is poorly supported.

[Vicarious Chair]

Originally Posted by mazda_sux1

I bought what I thought was a decent little car, and in many ways it has lived up to its promise. I have to say however that I started having tire problems with this car at 5500 miles (oscillation noise from rear tires) and it started to freak me out because I had owned an original 350Z, and went through two tire swaps with that car inside of 25K miles (at least Nissan had the decency of assisting me with the tire issue). I returned to my dealership after the initial visit of 5500 miles to complain once more of a now unbearable noise from the rear tires, again 'no trouble found' just rotate the tires (Anderson Mazda of Crystal Lake, their service SUCKS) So I went to a tire shop where they rotated the tires for me front to bk and across (for FREE Anderson!!!). The problem became worse. Went to another tire place again at 16.5k miles and they not only found that the rear tires were cupped but the front tires were practically 80% worn. Now here I sit after months of dealing with this with a car that's under 29k miles, with completely worn out Yokohama tires, and no help from Mazda (they basically told me to f-off) and absolutely no help from the dealer or from Yokohama tires. I will NEVER EVER even consider buying another Mazda product, or Yokohama for that matter and I will certainly NEVER go to another Anderson owned dealership. I'd rather bike 80 miles to work. Stay away from Mazda products. They admit they KNOW about the problem, because it is caused by the factory settings of their suspensons (negative toe and camber) to make the car feel more 'sporty' and stable. If they are going to sell a car with a performance set suspension that they KNOW is going to shred your tires they SHOULD DISCLOSE THIS at the point of sale!!!!! :lemon:

No, it should be UNDERSTOOD that tires will be eaten quicker by sportier suspension. There's no arguing matter in that. Does BMW tell it's owners that all the neg camber in back is going to eat the tires quicker? No.

You seem like a picky guy. Don't blame Mazda for yoko tires. Mazda can get whatever deals it can with tires. They're a smaller company that doesn't have the funds to provide amazing tires off the bat unless you pay for them. Mazda is more of a cult followed automaker, and if you don't like it, then don't be a part of it. But DON'T come on a Mazda forum where the cult is and tell us to never buy one of our passions. I bet you came on here to sound like you're better than the crowd, never to post again. If that's so, good riddance.

As I was just reading in a review, you could go ahead and buy a Focus or some other compact/hatch, but if you want a Driver's car with just the pure elements, then there isn't much better than a Mazda3 for the economical prices. Go buy a base Acura or Lexus if you're so damned concerned with outside noise. I hear they block out a lot of road db's. Have fun sitting in an isolated box on wheels.

stfu or gtfo.

[sweetleu52]

I think the above comment that was poorly supported, showed you quite well why you have the problem. I've had the same issue and just have simply kept the tires in their current spot every 25k because of the sport suspension. Thats the only reason I've found that the tires wear out quickly and it's like armageddon if you get them rotated.

in essence, sport handling vs. long life tires.

you pick.

[Intel]

Hankook.

Also it really doesn't matter if they are directional or not in regards to wear. It just makes it harder to rotate obviously. The issue is once the tires are feathered/cupped and moved to the front you will feel it a lot more and have more issues than when they were in back. Why you have to be vigilant with tire pressure to keep things in check.

What are the specs for Toe/Camber for the rear? In my experience toe being out of wack will cause far more issues than camber on any car.